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		<title>By: Paul N Davis</title>
		<link>http://chenpn.com/2007/09/04/interesting-responses-to-tesco-sells-turtles-in-china/comment-page-2/#comment-9419</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul N Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pelf,

Well done and thank you for signing the petition. Every signature will let Tesco know how many people object, so it is important for us to get as many signatures as we can.

Thank you again for your support and promotion of this issue.

Take care, Paul N Davis - Turtlesco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pelf,</p>
<p>Well done and thank you for signing the petition. Every signature will let Tesco know how many people object, so it is important for us to get as many signatures as we can.</p>
<p>Thank you again for your support and promotion of this issue.</p>
<p>Take care, Paul N Davis &#8211; Turtlesco</p>
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		<title>By: pelfychen</title>
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		<dc:creator>pelfychen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve already asked Mom to stop buying groceries at TESCO. WUakkaa :) And my coursemates too. And also my neighbours.  :biggrin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already asked Mom to stop buying groceries at TESCO. WUakkaa :) And my coursemates too. And also my neighbours.  :biggrin:</p>
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		<title>By: Paul N Davis</title>
		<link>http://chenpn.com/2007/09/04/interesting-responses-to-tesco-sells-turtles-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-9399</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul N Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone, 

My name is Paul N Davis, I raised the Turtlesco Tesco petition that is being referenced here. 

It is good to see your thoughts and interaction, thankyou for taking the time to raise and debate the issues.

There are two main issues that I hope the petition covers adequately, Conservation and Animal Welfare. If you take the specifics away from the petition it clearly sets out the issue: should we allow our own companies to go abroad and trade in a way that would be prosecuted or condemned in their country of origin ? Should we allow them to ignore the values and initiatives that we have worked so hard for in animal welfare and conservation ? Is it not the responsibility for our companies to raise standards worldwide not lower them to whatever minumum they can get away with ?

This would heavily depend on whether we feel that it is our responsibility to protect conservation worldwide and raise animal welfare standards worldwide. Some may be happy just to live in a country where those standards exist and not care what happens elsewhere.

With many countries becoming multi-cultural societies it would suggest that it would be best for us all to have similar values.

If we allow TESCO to ignore expert advice, endanger and kill turtles inhumanely what will come next ?  A TESCO supermarket in a dense Chinese populated area of the UK that does the same under the &#039;license&#039; that they are only supplying &quot; what their customers want ? &quot;  Maybe a TESCO that sell live dogs or cats because that is what the customers want, the principles are the same. Where does it stop, if left unchecked where could it progress to ?

Would you be happy with TESCO doing what they are doing in China in your street, with your children walking in the supermarket and seeing live animals hacked to death ?

If you wouldn&#039;t allow it here, then why allow them to do it elsewhere ?
You may say &quot; I do not allow it &quot;, the reality is by saying nothing you are allowing it, by spending money in TESCO you are infact funding it.    

The future of the world really is in your hands, an action of signing any petition can make democratic major change, doing nothing, can allow a major change by a minority.

In this case doing nothing allows TESCO to sell live animals in China. It allows them to sell frogs which are commonly skined alive. It alows TESCO to butcher the turtles alive in their supermarkets and to allow their customers to take the live turtle home to kill them in anyway they wish.

In the UK that would not be allowed, TESCO would be prosecuted and more than likely would be shut down and shunned by the public.

The facts regarding conservation and inhumane killing are clear on the petition, I do no want to duplicate those here, please read it carefully, the answers to some of the questions I have seen here are within the petition.

I hope the issues are clear to you, the decisions and actions you take as individuals will determine what the world will be like for your children and the following generations.

You all have something very special, choice and a voice, whatever the issue, always make sure you make your voice be heard, staying silent and doing nothing, does exactly that, nothing.

Take care, my friends, feel free to contact me direct if you so wish.

These turtles need your support, their existence is under threat, they are killed inhumanely. A turtles decapitated head can survive for an hour, nobody would want to subject you to the video evidence,  please trust in the experts statements, I have seen the video, what they say is true.

Paul N Davis - Turtlesco
paul@turtlesco.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone, </p>
<p>My name is Paul N Davis, I raised the Turtlesco Tesco petition that is being referenced here. </p>
<p>It is good to see your thoughts and interaction, thankyou for taking the time to raise and debate the issues.</p>
<p>There are two main issues that I hope the petition covers adequately, Conservation and Animal Welfare. If you take the specifics away from the petition it clearly sets out the issue: should we allow our own companies to go abroad and trade in a way that would be prosecuted or condemned in their country of origin ? Should we allow them to ignore the values and initiatives that we have worked so hard for in animal welfare and conservation ? Is it not the responsibility for our companies to raise standards worldwide not lower them to whatever minumum they can get away with ?</p>
<p>This would heavily depend on whether we feel that it is our responsibility to protect conservation worldwide and raise animal welfare standards worldwide. Some may be happy just to live in a country where those standards exist and not care what happens elsewhere.</p>
<p>With many countries becoming multi-cultural societies it would suggest that it would be best for us all to have similar values.</p>
<p>If we allow TESCO to ignore expert advice, endanger and kill turtles inhumanely what will come next ?  A TESCO supermarket in a dense Chinese populated area of the UK that does the same under the &#8216;license&#8217; that they are only supplying &#8221; what their customers want ? &#8221;  Maybe a TESCO that sell live dogs or cats because that is what the customers want, the principles are the same. Where does it stop, if left unchecked where could it progress to ?</p>
<p>Would you be happy with TESCO doing what they are doing in China in your street, with your children walking in the supermarket and seeing live animals hacked to death ?</p>
<p>If you wouldn&#8217;t allow it here, then why allow them to do it elsewhere ?<br />
You may say &#8221; I do not allow it &#8220;, the reality is by saying nothing you are allowing it, by spending money in TESCO you are infact funding it.    </p>
<p>The future of the world really is in your hands, an action of signing any petition can make democratic major change, doing nothing, can allow a major change by a minority.</p>
<p>In this case doing nothing allows TESCO to sell live animals in China. It allows them to sell frogs which are commonly skined alive. It alows TESCO to butcher the turtles alive in their supermarkets and to allow their customers to take the live turtle home to kill them in anyway they wish.</p>
<p>In the UK that would not be allowed, TESCO would be prosecuted and more than likely would be shut down and shunned by the public.</p>
<p>The facts regarding conservation and inhumane killing are clear on the petition, I do no want to duplicate those here, please read it carefully, the answers to some of the questions I have seen here are within the petition.</p>
<p>I hope the issues are clear to you, the decisions and actions you take as individuals will determine what the world will be like for your children and the following generations.</p>
<p>You all have something very special, choice and a voice, whatever the issue, always make sure you make your voice be heard, staying silent and doing nothing, does exactly that, nothing.</p>
<p>Take care, my friends, feel free to contact me direct if you so wish.</p>
<p>These turtles need your support, their existence is under threat, they are killed inhumanely. A turtles decapitated head can survive for an hour, nobody would want to subject you to the video evidence,  please trust in the experts statements, I have seen the video, what they say is true.</p>
<p>Paul N Davis &#8211; Turtlesco<br />
<a href="mailto:paul@turtlesco.com">paul@turtlesco.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: pelf</title>
		<link>http://chenpn.com/2007/09/04/interesting-responses-to-tesco-sells-turtles-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-9394</link>
		<dc:creator>pelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wong: Exactly. Some people consider turtle soup and meat and jelly aphrodisiac, but as a researcher, I can tell you that all those claims are baseless and not scientifically proven.

moz: It doesn&#039;t matter to me whether TESCO is a joint venture or a standalone company, though you were right that China has been the leading market in terms of selling exotic animals (and for food). While I agree that it will not make a huge difference petitioning to TESCO, I believe that if it was successful, it would produce a chain reaction where other smaller companies would follow in TESCO&#039;s footsteps, and THAT, would make a lot of difference.

Giant Sotong: During the wars many centuries ago, people survived on sea turtles that they caught from the seas. The turtles could be restricted by turning them over (turn turtle) and they have a lot of meat that could last many people for very long.

But that isn&#039;t the case these days. We have so much food to eat that we do not have to depend on exotic and slow maturing animals such as turtles anymore. 

Afif: I cannot make the Chinese (or any other people for that matter) to stop consuming turtle meat. But what I can do is to spread the awareness on the importance of conserving this critically-endangered creatures.

You were so right when you asked, &lt;em&gt;&quot;They won’t be selling them if there’s no demand in the first place right?&quot;&lt;/em&gt; You have just proven that whenever there&#039;s demand, people will kill turtles, regardless of whether they&#039;re farmed or caught from the wild.

And you know I can&#039;t control what Adsense ads appear on my blog, right? It&#039;s NOT that I purposely advertise the use of turtle products of whatever.. 

Alvin: When I attended one of my girlfriend&#039;s wedding dinner last year, we were served with shark&#039;s fin soup too. I declined it, and one of my other friends said the exact same thing: &quot;Don&#039;t let them die in vain.&quot;

If she wasn&#039;t one of my close friends, I would have bitten her back sarcastically. Everybody on the same table knew that I was in the conservation line, and that I chose not to eat shark&#039;s fin soup but they also knew that they were not obliged to follow suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wong: Exactly. Some people consider turtle soup and meat and jelly aphrodisiac, but as a researcher, I can tell you that all those claims are baseless and not scientifically proven.</p>
<p>moz: It doesn&#8217;t matter to me whether TESCO is a joint venture or a standalone company, though you were right that China has been the leading market in terms of selling exotic animals (and for food). While I agree that it will not make a huge difference petitioning to TESCO, I believe that if it was successful, it would produce a chain reaction where other smaller companies would follow in TESCO&#8217;s footsteps, and THAT, would make a lot of difference.</p>
<p>Giant Sotong: During the wars many centuries ago, people survived on sea turtles that they caught from the seas. The turtles could be restricted by turning them over (turn turtle) and they have a lot of meat that could last many people for very long.</p>
<p>But that isn&#8217;t the case these days. We have so much food to eat that we do not have to depend on exotic and slow maturing animals such as turtles anymore. </p>
<p>Afif: I cannot make the Chinese (or any other people for that matter) to stop consuming turtle meat. But what I can do is to spread the awareness on the importance of conserving this critically-endangered creatures.</p>
<p>You were so right when you asked, <em>&#8220;They won’t be selling them if there’s no demand in the first place right?&#8221;</em> You have just proven that whenever there&#8217;s demand, people will kill turtles, regardless of whether they&#8217;re farmed or caught from the wild.</p>
<p>And you know I can&#8217;t control what Adsense ads appear on my blog, right? It&#8217;s NOT that I purposely advertise the use of turtle products of whatever.. </p>
<p>Alvin: When I attended one of my girlfriend&#8217;s wedding dinner last year, we were served with shark&#8217;s fin soup too. I declined it, and one of my other friends said the exact same thing: &#8220;Don&#8217;t let them die in vain.&#8221;</p>
<p>If she wasn&#8217;t one of my close friends, I would have bitten her back sarcastically. Everybody on the same table knew that I was in the conservation line, and that I chose not to eat shark&#8217;s fin soup but they also knew that they were not obliged to follow suit.</p>
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		<title>By: Alvin</title>
		<link>http://chenpn.com/2007/09/04/interesting-responses-to-tesco-sells-turtles-in-china/comment-page-1/#comment-9380</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This news is new and shocking to me. I have 2 pet turtles at home. They&#039;ve been with me for nearly 10 years now and I seriously cannot imagine them becoming food. 

I think it&#039;s important to change people&#039;s mindset. Same thing goes for shark. They&#039;re going to disappear from our planet soon. But no matter where I go for wedding dinner, they will serve shark&#039;s fin soup. I told them not to eat.. At least I can make a difference. 

80% of their response was: They&#039;ve killed it. If we don eat it, it&#039;ll be wasted. 

There.. With this kind of mentality, no wonder animals like turtles and sharks going to disappear soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This news is new and shocking to me. I have 2 pet turtles at home. They&#8217;ve been with me for nearly 10 years now and I seriously cannot imagine them becoming food. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to change people&#8217;s mindset. Same thing goes for shark. They&#8217;re going to disappear from our planet soon. But no matter where I go for wedding dinner, they will serve shark&#8217;s fin soup. I told them not to eat.. At least I can make a difference. </p>
<p>80% of their response was: They&#8217;ve killed it. If we don eat it, it&#8217;ll be wasted. </p>
<p>There.. With this kind of mentality, no wonder animals like turtles and sharks going to disappear soon.</p>
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